tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7190064520141500485.post8627399186941051893..comments2023-07-26T04:20:20.358-07:00Comments on Saint Cynic: On Moral RelativismAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17771674447306246398noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7190064520141500485.post-38686914450012471372013-12-12T06:50:24.296-08:002013-12-12T06:50:24.296-08:00How come no other Ted Bundy expert use this quote?...How come no other Ted Bundy expert use this quote? I read every official book on Ted Bundy and this quote never came up. How do I know it is not made up? Although you do make good points. I'm just curious about the Ted Bundy quote credibility.Truth Speakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00299198277642440043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7190064520141500485.post-22566200327947602292009-03-14T07:18:00.000-07:002009-03-14T07:18:00.000-07:00Toshido,Even if he does, so what?Toshido,<BR/><BR/>Even if he does, so what?Kane Augustushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06365182037573315451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7190064520141500485.post-67447895902382264562009-03-13T00:37:00.000-07:002009-03-13T00:37:00.000-07:00Read Sunneal's first response. he seems to believ...Read Sunneal's first response.<BR/><BR/> he seems to believe Ted Bundy was an Atheist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7190064520141500485.post-44929269545203507232009-03-03T22:15:00.000-08:002009-03-03T22:15:00.000-08:00"So in the limited reading i have done about him m...<B>"So in the limited reading i have done about him my conclusion is.<BR/><BR/><BR/>NOT ATHEIST"</B><BR/><BR/>Okay. Thank you. Not sure how this is relevant. But thank you anyway.Kane Augustushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06365182037573315451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7190064520141500485.post-34890683090423834192009-02-27T00:49:00.000-08:002009-02-27T00:49:00.000-08:00Where do you read in that that Ted Bundy is an ath...Where do you read in that that Ted Bundy is an atheist? How can you possibly make that leap of faith?<BR/> in fact after a few minutes of looking i found that Ted Bundy has Methodist, at least raised and involved in the methodist church as a young man. http://www.inoutstar.com/news/Ted-Bundy-1245.html<BR/><BR/> "if not most of the morals atheists live by are precepts garnered from Christianity."<BR/><BR/> That makes a large jump in believing that most atheists live in countries founded by christians. I would be willing to wager that the majority of principles that atheists live by parallel the laws of the society they live in.<BR/> <BR/> Of course in north America the laws and society as a whole is based on Christians coming here and taking the land from the natives.<BR/><BR/> Of course I personally parallel many of the current beliefs of society, as many christians do. At least I don't hear about stoning your wife if you find out she is not a virgin at your marriage and so on.<BR/><BR/> From my limited reading moral relativism is something we all live with. Even you mighty christians.<BR/><BR/> What was once morally acceptable is no longer accepted.<BR/><BR/> examples.. paraphrased..<BR/><BR/>Lev 20:9 if you curse a parent you must be put to death<BR/><BR/>Lev 20:10 If a man sleeps with a married woman they must both be put to death<BR/><BR/>Lev 20:13 if you have gay sex... DIE...<BR/><BR/>Exo 35:2 Work on the seventh day.... DIE!!!!<BR/> (Of course a day could mean an era, so no rest for you guys)<BR/><BR/>Lev 25:44-45 Slave are to be purchased from other nations. Local slaves can only be leased.<BR/><BR/> Of course these values are no longer accepted. it may have been at one time though. So it is all relative to the time and society you are currently residing in.<BR/><BR/><BR/> And BTW, Ted Bundy was insane. Not a devote atheist. he talks about god, was a boy scout (christian is an entry requirment state side), raised methodist..... So in the limited reading i have done about him my conclusion is.<BR/><BR/><BR/> NOT ATHEISTAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7190064520141500485.post-82539716224019522592009-02-18T22:04:00.000-08:002009-02-18T22:04:00.000-08:00Yes, of course Chris, and I in no way meant to bel...Yes, of course Chris, and I in no way meant to belittle the tragedy and grief of any affected by the horrific crimes of Ted Bundy against humanity. I do not admire him at all. From a purely philosophical viewpoint, he was more consistent in his beliefs than most people are.sunealhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13698675394991882576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7190064520141500485.post-29814871670329535142009-02-18T21:17:00.000-08:002009-02-18T21:17:00.000-08:00Suneal,I agree with you, and would like to add tha...Suneal,<BR/><BR/>I agree with you, and would like to add that many of the so-called "atheist" morals are actually adaptations and adoptions of pre-existing religious morals. And in Western culture, as Dinesh D'Souza so cogently outlines in <A HREF="http://books.google.ca/books?hl=en&id=vVXf2PV8pyQC&dq=What's+so+great+about+christianity%3F&printsec=frontcover&source=web&ots=GDKGqfYlTE&sig=uknacaT1kZuTMQDzDKVdnELZfLY&ei=EuqcSYTAFYHwsAPvl8GmAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=5&ct=result" REL="nofollow">What's So Great About Christianity?</A> many, if not <I>most</I> of the morals atheists live by are precepts garnered from Christianity.<BR/><BR/>Now, this does not make a case for whether morals are derived ultimately from God, but it does make it abundantly clear that no matter how hard an atheist tries to reject religion -- at the very least -- s/he lives by religious precepts every day, whether s/he likes it or not.<BR/><BR/>But you're right: Ted Bundy has the testicles to follow through on a purely relativistic moral scheme. Too bad his recognition of the relativist paradigm equated 'value' with 'truth'. If it didn't, I'm fairly certain there would be a lot less heartache today.Kane Augustushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06365182037573315451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7190064520141500485.post-19503212027550543392009-02-18T14:56:00.000-08:002009-02-18T14:56:00.000-08:00To me this brings home the point that a truly athe...To me this brings home the point that a truly atheistic philosophy, lived out, leads to not only moral relativity, but moral irrelevancy. Ted Bundy, no matter how one views him, in my thinking, was more consistant in his atheistic paradigm, than any atheist I know or have known. He lived what both he logically deduced and had the guts to carry out. I reckon he is therefore less to blame, or rather no more to blame, than his philosophy which he actually adhered to. Therefore, atheism logically speaking can never offer the world anything morally. Of course there may be atheists more moral than me. More power to them. I can only deduce none of their morals are actually attributed to an atheistic world-view. It comes more from an eclectic philosophical/faith based perspective attributed more to the complexities and multiplicities of the human condition.<BR/><BR/>I deduce the fact atheism offers nothing moral outside of one's own "value judgments," because if one believes not in God, the Judge of all (the traditional view of God), then no universal moral standard can exist, and each person is left as their own judge and lawgiver regarding morality. If each one is their own judge and we all have an equal voice, morality as a society becomes "irrelevant."sunealhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13698675394991882576noreply@blogger.com