tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7190064520141500485.post2938918526741238990..comments2023-07-26T04:20:20.358-07:00Comments on Saint Cynic: Rot and StinkAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17771674447306246398noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7190064520141500485.post-13655253021224474762011-03-13T22:10:15.980-07:002011-03-13T22:10:15.980-07:00Since I don't think it posted, here is the len...Since I don't think it posted, here is the lenghty explanation I tried to put up earlier.<br /><br />Well, I will try and see if I can. Well at least in communism people need to be able to sacrifice for the common good of all to produce good for not only themselves but all. <br /><br />Unless I misunderstand anarchy, people need to take care of themselves and pursue their own happiness in anyway they wish to as long as it does not interfere with the happiness pursuits of others. Right?<br /><br />In my personal opinion both systems rely far too much on human beings not wanting to hurt others. In reality we see that when human beings are asked to not hurt others and work together for a common good or at least not to hurt them, even if they would gain something in the process, they fail. People will frequently choose a temporary gain for themselves even when they are hurting others and themselves in the process. As we see in for example the tragedy of the commons.<br /><br />Communism in its purest form envisioned a pure utopian society (as all ideologies tend to imagine) that people would evolve to on their own and freely and happily work to achieve the common good. Many countries have tried to bring about this through revolution and their undoing is, other than undoubtedly repressive policies and a lack of concern for the individual, the individuals lack of desire to work for the common good. They wished to work for their own benefit, not the community's. I imagine it would work in a very small society where everyone would fit in your monkey sphere but not a multimillion person country.<br /><br />I am no expert on anarchy but I imagine that even when given perfect freedom, in the absence of a government (unless I am understanding the concept wrong) a person would not manage to mind their own business enough not to exploit their fellow man for his own gain.<br /><br />Have I made my point of view clearer? I basically do not think very highly of people. I am sorry about the spelling errors on my last response, I used to have spell check on firefox, but now it has disappeared and I don't catch the errors.Skeptigirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09114437797095740146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7190064520141500485.post-76084925531544335322011-03-13T12:49:04.336-07:002011-03-13T12:49:04.336-07:00I wrote a response, under my google e-mail account...I wrote a response, under my google e-mail account, on accident being signed into it. It is not showing up. I can re post it if it wont show up.Skeptigirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09114437797095740146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7190064520141500485.post-87464914983799852632011-03-13T12:47:02.233-07:002011-03-13T12:47:02.233-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Skeptigirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09114437797095740146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7190064520141500485.post-41048018313976159762011-03-13T12:44:45.146-07:002011-03-13T12:44:45.146-07:00Well, I will try and see if I can. Well at least i...Well, I will try and see if I can. Well at least in communism people need to be able to sacrifice for the common good of all to produce good for not only themselves but all. <br /><br />Unless I misunderstand anarchy, people need to take care of themselves and pursue their own happiness in anyway they wish to as long as it does not interfere with the happiness pursuits of others. Right?<br /><br />In my personal opinion both systems rely far too much on human beings not wanting to hurt others. In reality we see that when human beings are asked to not hurt others and work together for a common good or at least not to hurt them, even if they would gain something in the process, they fail. People will frequently choose a temporary gain for themselves even when they are hurting others and themselves in the process. As we see in for example the tragedy of the commons.<br /><br />Communism in its purest form envisioned a pure utopian society (as all ideologies tend to imagine) that people would evolve to on their own and freely and happily work to achieve the common good. Many countries have tried to bring about this through revolution and their undoing is, other than undoubtedly repressive policies and a lack of concern for the individual, the individuals lack of desire to work for the common good. They wished to work for their own benefit, not the community's. I imagine it would work in a very small society where everyone would fit in your monkey sphere but not a multimillion person country.<br /><br />I am no expert on anarchy but I imagine that even when given perfect freedom, in the absence of a government (unless I am understanding the concept wrong) a person would not manage to mind their own business enough not to exploit their fellow man for his own gain.<br /><br />Have I made my point of view clearer? I basically do not think very highly of people. I am sorry about the spelling errors on my last response, I used to have spell check on firefox, but now it has disappeared and I don't catch the errors.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07216704798523514291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7190064520141500485.post-44848881115118555352011-03-13T07:41:08.873-07:002011-03-13T07:41:08.873-07:00Skepti: I'm not sure I follow you, my friend. ...<b>Skepti:</b> I'm not sure I follow you, my friend. Could you explain how having an "inherent morality and sense of personal responsibility" would mean that you "do not beleave [sic] would work in reality"?<br /><br />Thanks!<br />KaneKane Augustushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06365182037573315451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7190064520141500485.post-74201717617722517282011-03-13T03:29:04.183-07:002011-03-13T03:29:04.183-07:00Personally I am more of a communist than an anarch...Personally I am more of a communist than an anarchist but do not beleave either would work in reality because they both rely on an inherent morality and sense of personal responsibility in people that is the basic priciple that causes the societies to function.<br /><br />That's a good example of a run on sentence.Skeptigirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09114437797095740146noreply@blogger.com